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Published on September 19, 2006 By stutefish In Ethics
So I thought it might be interesting and fun to put forward the following two questions for discussion:

Is morality the same in all times and places, or does it vary from time to time and place to place?

And

Is your moral code the one true moral code, and all others are wrong; or is your moral code one of many, all more or less equally true?


To get the ball rolling, here's my answers:

Morality is the same in all times and all places. It does not vary.

There is one true moral code, and all others are wrong. I seek this code, and try to live by it to the best of my understanding. I try to learn more about this code and understand it better.


If you're interested in discussing this topic, please comment on this article with your thoughts and feelings.

Thanks!

~fish

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on Sep 21, 2006
.. When you peek beneath the Manchurian Candidate’s fascinating plotline, however, you learn that it is not \"just a movie,\" but is based upon actual cases of government-sponsored brainwashing, torture, Nazi collaboration, bizarre interrogation tactics, biological warfare and cover-ups. And though such an assessment sounds like paranoid lunacy, a quick study of CIA operations like MK-ULTRA (mind control), Operation ARTICHOKE (extreme interrogation) and Operation Paperclip (the Nazis’ role in exporting both), along with their connection to the murder of Dr. Frank Olson, reveals otherwise.


Of course, that is what THEY preprogrammed you to say, so you wouldn't remember what they REALLY did to you. ;~D
on Sep 21, 2006
Morality I believe varies from people to people.

For me morality would be what I feel is right and wrong,true and false, though theres no absolute truth, but what might be immoral for me might be moral for many and vice versa. So really cant say.
on Sep 21, 2006

www.lewrockwell.com/shaffer/shaffer144.html


I have lost my sense of humor to indulge those who reflexively deny the role of conspiracies in human affairs. In the months following 9/11 – and most strenuously in the days leading up to the fifth anniversary of this event – conventional thinking has dictated that commentaries on that atrocity carry the disclaimer “I am not suggesting a conspiracy.” It seems to be understood that entrance to the temples of respectable journalism, academic scholarship, or polite society would be denied anyone who transgressed this canon.

It is not that a speaker must refrain from expressing any particular conspiracy theory to explain troublesome occurrences: one must avoid the implication that any form of human behavior might be directed or influenced by conspiratorial forces. To even consider the possibility that a given event might have been produced by a conspiracy, is to run the risk of being labeled a “paranoid” or a “wacko.” As we have no desire to appear foolish in the eyes of others, we give in to such intimidation and preface
our opinions with the aforesaid mantra.

How easily most of us sell out our intellectual integrity, and at distress-sale prices. Even men and women with excellent minds who should know better have collapsed in the face of such a charge. Do we have such a fear of our own minds that we can no longer stand up to the epistemological inquiry that is at the base of our character and intelligence: how do we know what we know? Upon what basis do we form our opinions about the world: the consensus of our neighbors, or our independent judgments?

Any intellectually respectable opinion must be well-grounded in empirical fact and rational analysis. I have no use for those who spin conspiratorial theories out of little more than fantasy, wishful thinking, or the failure to distinguish a temporal relationship from a causal one. The assumption that because event “X” occurred, and was followed by event “Y,” a causal connection has been established, is among the shabbiest forms of reasoning. One might just as well argue for the proposition that wet sidewalks cause rain. In fact, I have no use for conspiracy theories at all, preferring – as my late friend, Chris Tame, so well stated it – to focus attention on the facts of conspiracies! As annoying as those are who offer lazy, simple-minded explanations for complex events, I am far more aggravated by those otherwise intelligent souls who help to man the barricades of ignorance against honest and empirically-based inquiries into topics they have been told are beyond rightful questioning...


... What forces were responsible for the crimes of 9/11? Admittedly, I do not know, nor am I prepared to transform my skepticisms into accusations. Perhaps it is the lawyer in me that has this strange attraction to evidence as the basis for my empirical judgments. In employing the “cui bono?” test as a point of departure, I find only two groups which, in Inspector Morse’s question, seem to have benefited from these attacks: (1) Al Qaeda, and (2) the United States government. Al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden have become a major political force in the world, in large part due to the Bush administration’s violent reaction to 9/11. But the American government – with its expanded police and military powers, increased military spending and the creation of new weapons, and the popular acceptance of the idea that people can be held, indefinitely, without trial – has benefited from this event by greatly expanding its powers. 9/11 was the product of a conspiracy, the only question being: who were the conspirators?

... But there is another factor – what I call “existential courage” – that must remain at the forefront of our efforts to live as human beings, rather than as servo-mechanisms to the institutional order. What kind of people are we that we should lay our liberties, property, and lives – including the lives of our children – at the feet of rulers, to be disposed of in any manner that suits their momentary temperaments? What have we become that we regard any questioning of this arrangement as the products of “irresponsible” or “paranoid” minds? Why should free and energized minds be fearful of asking any questions, particularly those we have been told it is improper to ask?


www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5pXSWcULbI&eurl=

on Sep 21, 2006
It seems like you mean that a moral code is justified by the goal of the one who adopts it. Is my understanding correct?


Pretty much. I believe that murder is wrong in all circumstances; others that it is okay in certain limited circumstances. Both can be argued as moral stances. Our goals define the extent to which our respective codes are justified. In that particular example limited murder is acceptable to the ideal of Justice whilst no murder appeals to the ideal of "Do not kill".

I don't consider either ideal to be more legitimate than the other. Both have their place in different people.

I mean, a maiden of the south sea islands, bare-breasted and grass-skirted, may be every bit as true to the moral principle of modesty, according to the customs of her culture, as a Victorian matron buttoned up from ankle to throat and wearing a veil over her face. It seems to me that the underlying principle is the same in both cultures, even if the customs for expressing it are very different.


Modesty was never really a factor of morality in Pacific island states until the coming of the Catholic Church. It never figured in their moral code, so I'm not really sure how there could be an identical underlying principle to Victorian London.

As another example Anglo culture values honesty in interpersonal relationships; Javanese culture values kindness. A Javanese person will lie blatantly rather than cause another offence. I don't see either moral code as being particularly wrong. They both work in different contexts for different people.
on Sep 21, 2006

Is morality the same in all times and places, or does it vary from time to time and place to place?


I don't know. I believe it is, but the source I base my belief on claims that morality did indeed vary from time to time.



Is your moral code the one true moral code, and all others are wrong; or is your moral code one of many, all more or less equally true?


I believe that the moral code I try to follow is the one true moral code for me. I also believe that there is one basic moral code for everybody (which is less strict).

But following logic all moral code are equally true.

(That does not mean that they all work equally well or that one cannot with good conscience choose one among them which is BETTER than the others.)

on Sep 21, 2006
Largest US Church says Bush behind 9/11


when did butler shaffer become the largest church in america? is he now tax exempt too?
on Sep 21, 2006

Anglo culture values honesty in interpersonal relationships; Javanese culture values kindness. A Javanese person will lie blatantly rather than cause another offence. I don't see either moral code as being particularly wrong. They both work in different contexts for different people.


That is a good point. On the other hand, I have always considered that this particular question falls under "politeness" not "morality".

I think it is impolite to lie rather than be kind or to be kind rather than lie (depending on one's view). I don't see how either would be immoral.

on Sep 21, 2006
i'm not sure the orig. poster actually believes as they preach...for example...

Morality is the same in all times and all places. It does not vary.There is one true moral code, and all others are wrong. I seek this code, and try to live by it to the best of my understanding. I try to learn more about this code and understand it better.

but in 2005, the poster saw putting up with greed and ignorance in Iraq as OK.

Even if you believe that the Bush Administration is acting out of greed and ignorance, it's clear that their greed and ignorance is having a significant positive side effect in Iraq.

greed and ignorance are having a positive effect? isn't greed at least considered amoral? is greed sometimes moral, and sometimes not?

i found a few other inconsistancies in reading some of your old blogs, but the point here is not to try to use your words against you, i am just looking for some clarification i guess.

as far as my own answer goes...i believe moralities in everyone's life are prioritized. one moral issue can be trumped by another that we hold as a higher priority. in the poster's discussion of the shaivo case, i believe he contended that where he found euthenasia to be amoral, he a) could see exceptions to that. and thought the morality of respecting the law and the judge's decision as a higher morality than imposing his personal beliefs.

i do believe these things can change for the individual over time, and as mentioned earlier, we are all (either conciously or unconciously) pursuing our own true "one moral code" throughout life.

just some thoughts....
on Sep 21, 2006
August 11, 2006

As the current Middle Eastern war threatens to engulf the entire World in Total War an escalating series of events in the United States are threatening to bring about the downfall of their Military Leaders.

In this past week, the Commissioner, Former Governor Tom Kean, tasked by the American President with heading the panel to investigate the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks upon the United States admitted that the investigation was a ‘whitewash’ in the release of his book titled \"Without Precedent: The Inside Story of the 9/11 Commission\".

This stunning revelation about 9/11 by Governor Kean was quickly followed by the largest Presbyterian Church organization in the United States placing direct blame for these attacks upon the American President, and as we can read as reported by the Malaysia Sun News Service, and as we can read:

\"The Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.)\'s publishing arm has released a book that says President Bush organized New York\'s Sept. 11 attacks. The decision by the 160-year-old Westminster John Knox Press, the trade and academic publishing imprint of the Presbyterian Publishing Corp., to attribute the attacks on the World Trade Center brings into the U.S. religious mainstream a conspiracy theory long held by the world\'s jihadists.

In \'Christian Faith and the Truth behind 9/11: A Call to Reflection and Action,\' author David Ray Griffin calls the United States the world\'s \'chief embodiment of demonic power, says he initially scoffed at 9/11 conspiracy theories. But after investigating he concluded that the Twin Towers were brought down by controlled demolition, military personnel were given stand-down orders not to intercept hijacked flights and the 9/11 Commission, ostensibly created to uncover the truth behind the events of 9/11, \'simply ignored evidence\' that the administration was involved in the attacks.

Griffin further asserts that such events such as that of 9/11 are part of a long history of \'false-flag attacks,\' attacks orchestrated by governments against their own people to garner popular support for military action.\"

In response to the increasing pressure being exerted upon them the Military Leaders of the United States are now engaged in a feverish effort to gain ‘retroactive’ protection from the US Congress against the war crimes they would be charged with should they lose power, and as we can read as reported the San Diego Union Tribune News Service in their article titled \"Proposed War Crimes Act protection for Bush administration would apply retroactively\", and which says:

\"The Bush administration drafted amendments to the War Crimes Act that would retroactively protect policymakers from possible criminal charges for authorizing any humiliating and degrading treatment of detainees, according to lawyers who have seen the proposal.\"

As we have also seen, and all too frequently, the news of these events and charges are being kept from the American people themselves by yet another of their self designed ‘terror alerts’, and which are thrown against these peoples for no other purpose than to keep them living in states of continued fear.

To the success of the Military Propagandists, currently in control of the United States media organs, in the deception of their own citizens it can be evidenced in a new poll just released that shows fully 30 percent of Americans don’t even remember the year that the September 11th attacks happened in.

It is no surprise therefore when we hear that the Western mindset that has so destroyed the great American peoples has now caused widespread mental illness in Japan, and as we can read as reported Britain’s Times Online News Service in their article titled \"Western values \'are causing mental illness\", and which says:

\"The rapid spread of Western business practices in Japan has caused widespread mental illness and is responsible for a deepening demographic crisis, government officials say. Statistics indicate that 60 per cent of workers suffer from “high anxiety” and that 65 per cent of companies report soaring levels of mental illness.\"

One can fully understand the words we had recently received from an American citizen living under that brutal regime, and who said, “Here in America we are Nation of idiots led by monsters”.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=reQZT9Hzvt8&eurl=
on Sep 21, 2006
Is morality the same in all times and places, or does it vary from time to time and place to place?


Actually I believe it varies depending upon the situation. Well, that is to say that we as rational human beings must make moral decisions. Killing another human being is pretty much accepted as being morally wrong, but to do so in defense of a helpless victim or in self defense is a moral decision that would be considered by most to be morally correct.

To stand by and do nothing while a helpless victim would be far more morally wrong in my opinion.

Is your moral code the one true moral code, and all others are wrong; or is your moral code one of many, all more or less equally true?


Yes, my moral code is the one true moral code and everyone who doesn't follow it is immoral. My moral code also states that everyone should be paying me tribute and failure to do so is a mortal sin. So pay up already!
on Sep 21, 2006
Is morality the same in all times and places, or does it vary from time to time and place to place? If by morality you mean a set of standards by which you make distinctions between right and wrong, good and evil I like what a friend of mine once said "Love the Lord your God with all your heart,soul,mind,and strength and Love your neighbor as your self". A lot of what gos on in most if not almost all religions and governments just dosn't fit in this mind set. I think treating others the way you want to be treated is more than a social thing, but more like a built in thing that gets supressed at the moment so we can have our own way. Something we all know is wrong but " I realy want this", you know what I mean dont you??
on Sep 21, 2006
So... why did you become a Mason, thatoneguyinslc? I assume the gist of it is "to seek the one true moral code". Would you be willing to share some of the details of your choice?


I admire them for their history, respect their belief that education is the key to true enlightenment, and that a man's beliefs are none of their business. My personal favorite is that you are allowed to interpet the lessons taught in your own way. Nobody tells you how or what to think.

Plus the fez is kinda cool!


Just out of curiosity, can Mormons be Masons?


Good question. The short answer is "yes".

Freemasonry is spiritual, but not religous. Any man of faith that believes in a higher power can be a Mason. No athiests allowed.

Brigham Young and Joseph Smith were both Masons. But somewhere along the way the LDS
church "borrowed" a couple of our rituals for their own temple ceremonies, and an ensuing rift existed for over 100 years. From what I understand, it was actually the Masons, not the LDS church who forbade church members from joining the brotherhood. It ended in 1990 when church President Ezra Taft Benson decided to stop using them.

Now there are lots of LDS Masons.

Hope this answers your questions.
on Sep 22, 2006
Behind the United States and its Constitution is a small group of men whose sole objective is to enslave the whole world and humanity in their satanic plot for a one world govenment. Now to give you a very clear picture of this satanic plot, I will go back to its beginning, back to the middle of the 18th Century, and name the men who put that plot into action.

This satanic plot was launched back in the 1760’s when it first came into existence under the name of the Illuminati. This Illuminati was organized by one Adam Weishaupt who became a convert to Catholicism and later a Catholic priest. Then, at the request of the Financiers, he defected from the Catholic Church, and organized the Illuminati which was financed by the International Bankers.

Every war since then, beginning with the French Revolution, has been promoted by the Illuminati operating under various names and guises. I say under various names and guises because, after the Illuminati was exposed and became too notorious, Weishaupt and his co-conspirators began to operate under various other names.

But why did the world conspirators chose the word “Illuminati” for their satanic organization? Weishaupt himself said that the word is derived from Lucifer and means «holders of the light».

The Luciferian conspiracy

Weishaupt was a Jesuit-trained professor of Canon Law, teaching in Inglecot University, when he defected from Christianity to embrace the Luciferian conspiracy. This was in 1770. He began to write out the master plan that was designed to give the Synagogue of Satan, so named by Jesus Christ, ultimate world domination so they could impose the Luciferian ideology on what would remain of the human race after the final social cataclysm by use of satanic despotism.

Weishaupt completed his task on May 1, 1776. (Communist nations continue to yearly conduct celebrations on May 1st in honor of this great event.) That was the day Weishaupt officially completed his plan which required the destruction of all existing governments and religions. That objective was to be reached by dividing the masses of people into opposing camps in ever increasing numbers on political, social, economic, and other issues, the very conditions we have in the United States today. The opposing sides were then to be armed, and incidents were to be provided which would cause them to fight and weaken themselves, gradually destroying national governments and religious institutions.

The plan of operation

The main features of the Weishaupt plan of operation required his Illuminati to do the following things to help them to accomplish their purpose:

1. Monetary and sex bribery was to be used to obtain control of men already in high places in the various levels of all governments and other fields of endeavor. Once influential persons had fallen for the lies, deceits, and temptations of the Illuminati, they were to be held in bondage by application of political and other forms of blackmail, threats of financial ruin, public exposure, and physical harm, even death to themselves and loved members of their families.

2. The Illuminati who were on the faculty of colleges and universities were to cultivate students possessing exceptional mental ability and who belonged to well-bred families with international leanings, and recommend them for special training in Internationalism. Such training was to be provided by granting scholarships, like the Rhodes Scholarship, to those selected by the Illuminati. All such scholars were to be first persuaded and then convinced that men of special talent and brains had the right to rule those less gifted on the grounds that the masses do not know what is best for them physically, mentally, and spiritually.

3. All influential people who were trapped to come under the control of the Illuminati, plus the students who had been specially educated and trained, were to be used as agents and placed behind the scenes of all governments as experts and specialists. They would advise the top executives to adopt policies which would, in the long run, serve the secret plans of the Illuminati’s one world conspiracy, and bring about the destruction of the governments and religions they were elected or appointed to serve.

4. They were to obtain absolute control of the press so that all news and inforation could be slanted to convince the masses that a one world government is the only solution to our many and varied problems. They were also to own and control all the national radio and TV channels.

After reading these four points of strategy, we have to admit that our mass communications media is controlled at all levels, and that at all levels our governments are also infiltrated and controlled, just like Weishaupt had planned back in the 1700’s. Unfortunately, few people are aware of this fact, which is why they make little sense out of many of the world events that take place today.

Let us now go back to the first days of the Illuminati.

Because Britain and France were the two greatest world powers in the late years of the 18th Century, Weishaupt ordered the Illuminati to foment the colonial wars, including the Revolutionary war in America, to weaken the British Empire. They were also ordered to organize the French Revolution in order to destroy the French Empire.

Weishaupt scheduled the French Revolution to start in 1789. However, in 1784, a true act of God placed the Bavarian Government in possession of evidence which proved the existence of the Illuminati. And that evidence could have saved France if they, the French Government, had not refused to believe it.

An act of God

What was this act of God? Let me explain.

It was in 1784 that Weishaupt had issued his orders for the French Revolution. A German writer named Zwack had put these orders into book form which contained the entire Illuminati story and Weishaupt’s plan. A copy of this book was sent to the Illuminates in France, who were headed by Robespierre, whom Weishaupt had delegated to foment the French Revolution. The carrier was struck and killed by lightning as he rode on his way from Germany to France. The police found the subversive documents on his body, and turned them over to the proper authorities.

After a careful study of the plot, the Bavarian Government ordered the police to raid Weishaupt’s newly organized lodges of the Grand Orient and homes of his most influential associates. All additional evidence thus discovered convinced the authorities that the documents were genuine copies of the conspiracy by which the Illuminati planned to use wars and revolutions to bring about the established. (Note: This is exactly in line with the United Nations plot of today.)

In 1785, the Bavarian Government outlawed the Illuminati, and closed the lodges of the Grand Orient. In 1786, they published all the details of the conspiracy, the English title of that publication being “The Original Writings of the Order and Sect of the Illuminati”. Copies of the entire conspiracy were sent to all the heads of Church and State in Europe. But the power of the Illuminati was so great that this warning was ignored. Nevertheless, «Illuminati» became a dirty word, and it went underground.

At the same time, Weishaupt ordered Illuminates to infiltrate into the lodges of Blue Masonry, and form their own secret societies within all secret societies. Only Masons who proved themselves internationalists, and those whose conduct proved they had defected from God, were initiated into the Illuminati.

In order to infiltrate into Masonic Lodges in Britain, Weishaupt invited John Robison over to Europe. Robison was a high degree Mason in the Scottish Rite. He was a professor of natural philosophy at Edinburgh University and secretary of The Royal Society of Edinburgh. Robison did not fall for the lie that the objective of the Illuminati was to create a benevolent dictatorship, but he kept his reaction to himself so well that he was entrusted with a copy of Weishaupt’s revised conspiracy for study and safekeeping.

Because the warnings about the Illuminati were ignored, the Revolution broke out in 1789, as scheduled by Weishaupt. In order to alert other governments to their danger, Robison published, in 1789, a book entitled “Proof of a conspiracy to Destroy All Governments and Religions”, but his warnings were also ignored.

The Napoleonic Wars

The men who had directed the French Revolution decided to engage in another international plot. This time they organized the Napoleonic Wars to topple several more of the Crowned Heads of Europe.

One branch of the Financiers financed Napoleon, while another branch financed Britain, Germany, and other nations. Of course, both branches received their orders from the masterminds of the Illuminati.

Immediately after the Napolionic Wars, the Illuminati assumed that all the nations would be so desperate and so weary of wars that they would be glad for any solution. So the stooges of the Illumiati set up what they called «The Congress of Vienna». At this meeting they tried to create the first league of nations, their first attempted one world government. They held the theory that all the Crowned heads of the European Government were so deeply in debt to them that they would willingly or unwillingly seve as their stooges. But the Czar of Russia caught on to the plot, and completely torpedoed it. The enraged Financiers then vowed that some day they would destroy the Czar and his entire family. And this very threat was later accomplished in 1917.

We must bear in mind that the Illumianti was not set up to operate on a short-range basis. Normally, a conspirator of any type enters into a conspiracy with the expectation of achieving his objective during his own lifetime. But that was not the case with the Illuminati. True, they hoped to accomplish their objective during their lifetime but, paraphrasing “the show must go on”, the Illuminati operates on the very long-range basis. Whether it will take scores of years or even centuries, they have dedicated their descendants to keep the plot going until they hope the conspiracy is achieved.

The disastrous rebuff at the congress held in Vienna by the Czar of Russia did not by any means destroy the Illuminati conspiracy; it merely forced them to adopt a new strategy. Realizing that the one world idea was, for the moment, killed, the Illuminati decided that, to keep their power, they would have to tighten their control of the money system of the European nations.

To control the economy

Earlier, the outcome of the Battle of Waterloo had been falsified. The Financiers had spread a story that Napoleon had won that battle, which brought about a panic on the stock market in England. All stocks had plumped down to practically zero. The International Bankers then bought all the stocks for virtually a penny on its dollar value, which gave them complete control of the economy of Britain and, virtually, of all Europe.

Immediately after the congress held in Vienna, the International Bankers forced Britain to set up a new bank of England, which they controlled absolutely, and which they still control to this very day.

Weishaupt died in 1830, but prior to his death, he prepared a revised version of the age-old conspiracy of the Illuminati, which, under various names, was to organize, finance, direct, and control all international organizations and groups bu working their agents into executive positions at the top.

The revolutionary program

In 1848, Karl Marx wrote the Communist Manifesto, under the direction of one group of Illuminists, while Professor Karl Ritter of Frankfurt University wrote the anti-thesis, under the direction of another group of Illuminists. the idea was that those who direct the overall conspiracy could use the differences of those two so-called ideologies to enable them to divide larger and larger members of the human race into opposing camps so that they could be armed and then brainwashed into fighting and destroying each other. And, in particular, to destroy all political and religious institutions.

The work Ritter started was continued after his death and completed by the German so-called philosopher, Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche. Nietzsche helped to develop Racism and then Naziism, which was used to foment World war I and II.

In 1834, the Italian revolutionary leader, Giuseppe Mazzini, was selected by the Illuminati to direct their revolutionary program throughout the world. He served in that capacity until he died in 1872. But some years before he died, Mazzini had enticed an American general named Albert Pike into the Illuminati. Pike was fascinated by the idea of a one world government, and ultimately he became the head of this Luciferian conspiracy.

Between 1859 and 1871, Pike worked out a military blueprint for three world wars and various revolutions throughout the world which he considered would forward the conspiracy to its final stage in the 20th Century.

World wars

The First World war was to be fought so as to enable the Illuminati to destroy Czarism in Russia, as vowed by the International Bankers after the Czar had torpedoed his scheme at the congress held in Vienna, and to transform Russia into a stronghold of atheistic Communism. The differences stirred up by agents of the Illuminati between the German and British Empires would be used to foment this war. After the war would be ended, Communism was to be built up and used to destroy other governments and weaken religions.

The Second World war, when and if necessary, was to be fomented by using the controversies between fascist and political Zionists. During this war, International Communism was to be built up until it equaled in strenght that of the United Christendom. When it reached that point, it was to be contained and kept in check until required for the final social cataclysm.

The Third World war is to be fomented by using the so-called controversy agents of the Illuminati would stir up between political Zionists and the leaders of the Moslem world. That war is to be directed in such a manner that all of Islam and political Zionism, Israel, will destroy each other while, at the same time, the remaining nations, once more divided on this issue, will be forced to fight themselves into a state of complete exhaustion - physically, mentally, spiritually, and economically. The stage will then be set to put the one world government into operation.

A one world government

In the final phases of the conspiracy, the one world government is to consist of a key dictator - the head of the United Nations, the Council on Foreign Relations (the Illuminati group in the U.S.), a few billionaires, the Communists, and scientists who have proven their devotion to the great conspiracy. All others are to be integrated into a vast conglomeration of monopolized humanity, becoming total slaves of the conspiracy.

In the United States, immediately after World war I, the Illuminati set up what they called the Council on Foreign Relations, commonly referred to as the CFR. This CFR is actually the Illuminati now operating in the U.S. Its hierarchy, the mastermind control of the CFR, to a very great extent, are descendants of the original Illuminati conspirators, even though many of them have changed their names to conceal this fact.

There is a similar establishment of the Illuminati in England, operating under the name of the British Institute of International Affairs. There are similar secret Illuminati organizations in France, Germany, and other nations operating under different names. All of these organizations, including the CFR, continuously set up numerous subsidiary or front organizations that are infiltrated into every phase of the various nations affairs. But at all times, the operation of these organizations were and are masterminded and controlled by the Illuminati.

Myron Fagan


www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlCqQAAJ6MQ&eurl=
on Sep 23, 2006
of course morality is not the same in all times and places
consider the values and belief systems created by mulitudes of different world cultures and weigh this against your own morality belief and value system of course there are differences and we must accept that one man's meat (morality) is anothers man's Poison. Its okay we must accept and respect that other peoples morality barometer differ and that what we wish to believe in the privacy of our own minds is fine. Trouble arises when we exhibit or put into full view and practice opposing morality views and beliefs in cultures with opposite and opposing morality beliefs and values of our own. No one moral code is right or wrong, all moral codes practised in varying cultures throughout the world are right within those times and places they are accepted .
on Sep 26, 2006
I know this sounds very old-fashioned but there is an ancient basis for a true moral code and that is the Ten Commandments. Adhering to every Commandment would provide decent standards to adhere to. However, it may not suit this modern World! "Do not commit adultery" is a good example. Has adultery slipped lower down our moral ladder as skirts get shorter?
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